A history of the Fleming, Jolliffe, Kessey and Murphy families of New South Wales - and their forebears
Person Page 3,182
William Carlisle
b. about 1782, d. 27 July 1852
Person Exhibits
William Carlisle's signature, 1821
Detailed biography
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Family surname
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Birth
Parents
| Father | William Carlisle (b. about 1765) |
Family life
William Carlisle and Mary Ann Gordon were married on 11 September 1811 at St Matthew's Church in Windsor. C of E||The marriage certificate indicates that the marriage was by banns.5,6,7,4 He and Elizabeth Blackman were married about 1816.4
Child with Mary Ann Gordon (b. 24 November 1792, d. February 1813)
| Daughter | Amelia Carlisle+ (b. 29 January 1813, d. 2 June 1876) |
Children with Elizabeth Blackman (b. about 1791, d. 18 March 1849)
| Son | James Carlisle (b. 6 October 1817, d. about 1863) |
| Son | John Carlisle (b. 16 May 1819, d. 1891) |
| Daughter | Henrietta Carlisle (b. about 1 October 1821, d. about 1856) |
Residence information
William Carlisle immigrated on 24 June 1804 to Sydney, NSW, Australia. 'Experiment'||Also aboard was William's future wife, Mary Ann Gordon, with her father Thomas and brother Charles.8,9,6,7,10,4 Traveled in Rangihoa, New Zealand, about February 1816. From Sydney4 Traveled to about December 1816. from Bay of Islands on SS "Active"||"He returned to New South Wales a year later to bring his brother-in-law, Charles Gordon, employed as an agriculturist, accompanied by wives and families, back in April 1817."2,11,4 Charles, Maria, Elizabeth, and Amelia traveled on 12 April 1817. Aboard SS "Active". "(William Carlisle brought) his brother-in-law, Charles Gordon, employed as an agriculturist, accompanied by wives and families, back in April 1817." (D A Rae)
"The ranks of the women in New Zealand were swelling. Mr and Mrs Carlisle and Mr and Mrs Gordon came in 1817; the Butlers, the Kemps and the Puckeys arrived in 1819; the Shepherds in 1820; the Leighs in 1822; in 1823 Mr and Mrs Henry ..." (Simpson)2,12,13,10,4,14 William Carlisle lived in Rangihoa, New Zealand, on 9 January 1819.15 Charles, Maria, Elizabeth, James, and John traveled to on 9 November 1819. from Bay of Islands on SS "Active"||"Writing privately to Josiah Pratt after his return to the colony, Marsden had the 'painful duty' of reporting, with a mixture of biblical metaphors, that he had found the settlers like so many sheep without a shepherd, each seeking his own advantage, so that the Enemy had made dreadful work amongst them, sowing tares in the wheat and stirring them up to mutual accusation. All had neglected their proper tasks, competing in private trade as a means of procuring food and gaining influence over the Maoris. ... William Carlisle and James Gordon felt humiliated at being seen by the Maoris as common labourers. Carlisle resigned, unable to cope with a timorous and clinging wife, Gordon was dismissed, and both men were shipped out with their families in the Active when Marsden left on 9 November. As a measure of the harshness he was capable of showing to his fellow man, Marsden let it be known in the colony when Gordon's wife died that it was a judgement of God upon his sins"16,4 William Carlisle travelled about 1822 in Bay of Islands, Northland, New Zealand. from Sydney4 He travelled about 1822 in Sydney, NSW, Australia. from Bay of Islands4
"The ranks of the women in New Zealand were swelling. Mr and Mrs Carlisle and Mr and Mrs Gordon came in 1817; the Butlers, the Kemps and the Puckeys arrived in 1819; the Shepherds in 1820; the Leighs in 1822; in 1823 Mr and Mrs Henry ..." (Simpson)2,12,13,10,4,14 William Carlisle lived in Rangihoa, New Zealand, on 9 January 1819.15 Charles, Maria, Elizabeth, James, and John traveled to on 9 November 1819. from Bay of Islands on SS "Active"||"Writing privately to Josiah Pratt after his return to the colony, Marsden had the 'painful duty' of reporting, with a mixture of biblical metaphors, that he had found the settlers like so many sheep without a shepherd, each seeking his own advantage, so that the Enemy had made dreadful work amongst them, sowing tares in the wheat and stirring them up to mutual accusation. All had neglected their proper tasks, competing in private trade as a means of procuring food and gaining influence over the Maoris. ... William Carlisle and James Gordon felt humiliated at being seen by the Maoris as common labourers. Carlisle resigned, unable to cope with a timorous and clinging wife, Gordon was dismissed, and both men were shipped out with their families in the Active when Marsden left on 9 November. As a measure of the harshness he was capable of showing to his fellow man, Marsden let it be known in the colony when Gordon's wife died that it was a judgement of God upon his sins"16,4 William Carlisle travelled about 1822 in Bay of Islands, Northland, New Zealand. from Sydney4 He travelled about 1822 in Sydney, NSW, Australia. from Bay of Islands4
Involvement in crime
, then aged, was a witness when John McIntyre in 1844. "In 1844 ... the bushrangers ordered them all to go into the next room. ... Among those locked in this room was Mr Carlisle, the tutor; this gentleman had his meals with the family, but slept in a room adjoining the school-house. He was a noted sportsman and shot. In his room were two fine guns, and he intended getting these and in turn holding the marauders up; but, as he was getting out through the window of the room, he was seen by a bushranger, and was beaten back with the stock of a blunderbuss."17
Working life
- In 1816 William Carlisle was an employed as an Assistant School Master. Assistant School Master||the Church Missionary Society||"William Carlisle of New South Wales reached New Zealand early in 1816 to act as assistant to Kendall in the first school established in the country." (D A Rae)
"Marsden had seen to it that school work began within the first few weeks; but after his departure, Kendall found it impossible to carry on with any regularity. In fact Hall, writing in January 1816, reports that the 'school' was 'dispersed' as soon as Marsden left and had not, at that date, been restarted. In August of that year, however, the first school-house in New Zealand was opened with thirty-three pupils, a number which had risen to seventy within the next few months". (Simpson)2,12,4 - On 5 November 1816 William Carlisle was a schoolmaster and settler employed by the Church Missionary Society in Rangi Hoa.18
- Was sacked by as in Rangi Hoa, New Zealand, on 10 February 1820.19
- In 1828 William Carlisle was a painter.4
- On 28 February 1832 William Carlisle owned a in Sydney, NSW, Australia. ||his own coach factory in Bathurst Street||A note in the Return says "now with Urquart". This is, preumably, a reference to the preceding line in the Return, which refers to another coach manufactory in George Street, owned by Mr Urquart.20
- In 1844 William Carlisle was a tutor. "Among those locked in this room (by bushrangers) was Mr Carlisle, the tutor."17
- About 1845 William Carlisle was at Carwell in Rylstone.4
Death
William Carlisle died on 27 July 1852 in Rylstone. ||Surname spelt "Carlyle"1,4 He was buried about 28 July 1852 at the Old Carwell Cemetery in Rylstone.1,4
Memorial
There is a memorial to William Carlisle at Carwell Creek Private Cemetery in Rylstone, New South Wales, Australian Colonies. Follow this link for information and images of his memorial.
Citations
- [S299] Burial Register (or Dead Book) relating to Cemetery near Rylstone, NSW, Descent Vol 6 Part 2, by Mrs E Nevell, June 1973, p70.
- [S300] William Carlisle and Charles Gordon, Auckland-Waikato Historical Journal, September 1982, pp 29-31.
- [S1606] "Carlisle family origins", 2020, James Michael Fleming (Cammeray, NSW), Fleming Family History Archive, Sydney.
- [S518] Carlisle William, Australian Biographical and Genealogical Record, p62.
- [S313] Marriage Certificate, William Carlisle and Mary Ann Gordon, 11 September 1811, Registry of Births Deaths and Marriages, NSW. Vol 3 No 1278.
- [S409] Thomas Gordon, Australian Biographical and Genealogical Record, p161.
- [S410] Mary Ann Gordon, Australian Biographical and Genealogical Record, p161.
- [S361] Ship News, Sydney Gazette, 24 June 1804.
- [S364] Experiment prisoners, Sydney Gazette, 1 July 1804.
- [S411] Gordon, Charles Moltson, Australian Biographical and Genealogical Record, p159.
- [S367] King George arrival, Sydney Gazette, 7 December 1816.
- [S309] Helen M Simpson, "Before Waitangi," in The Women of New Zealand. (Wellington: NZ Department of Internal Affairs, 1940). Hereinafter cited as "Before Waitangi."
- [S368] Committee Minutes, Society House Minutes June 8 1818, Church Missionary Society, FM4 1454, Archives Office of NSW, Kingswood. Hereinafter cited as Minutes: Church Missionary Soc.
- [S1268] Various family historians, L: Correspondence re Carlisle, Gordon, Sydney: Fleming Family History Archive, 2 Aug 2020.
- [S370] Active return, Sydney Gazette, 9 January 1819.
- [S305] John Thomas Bigge, "Samuel Marsden," in The Bigge Commission of Inquiry. (London: House of Commons, 1822). Hereinafter cited as "Samuel Marsden."
- [S308] Mrs Bertha Phelps, "Bushrangers at Carwell and Other Places," in An Australian Tells England. (Sydney: Robert Dey and Sons, 1935). Hereinafter cited as "Bushrangers at Carwell."
- [S368] Committee Minutes, Society House Minutes 9 March 1818, Church Missionary Society, FM4 1454, Archives Office of NSW, Kingswood. Hereinafter cited as Minutes: Church Missionary Soc.
- [S368] Committee Minutes, Letter from Marsden 10 February 1820, received 24 June 1820, Church Missionary Society, FM4 1454, Archives Office of NSW, Kingswood. Hereinafter cited as Minutes: Church Missionary Soc.
- [S383] William Carlisle, Return of Manufactories, Mills & Machinery in town of Sydney and its vicinity 1832, (Kingswood NSW: Archives Office of NSW), 1832
| Context | Carlisle clan Ch Fleming forebears Ch forebears Pedigree Carlisle |
| Last Edited | 1 July 2022 |